Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2706 =================== CFJ 2706 (Interest Index = 1) ==================== A player that "hard deregisters" (totally dissociating themselves from the game with eir R101(vii) right, as opposed to the action of deregistering) is a person. ======================================================================== Caller: ehird Judge: ais523 Judgement: UNDETERMINED ======================================================================== History: Called by ehird: 24 Sep 2009 13:08:17 GMT Assigned to Pavitra: 26 Sep 2009 19:02:45 GMT Pavitra recused: 12 Oct 2009 23:41:14 GMT Assigned to ais523: 13 Oct 2009 00:07:24 GMT Judged UNDETERMINED by ais523: 14 Oct 2009 16:31:33 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: The rule paints it as a dichotomy: either you can R101(vii)-deregister, or you can continue to play. As a person, it's perfectly possible to continue to play (mostly via contracts, but still in a way that affects the top-level gamestate) after regular-deregistering. So clearly, R101(vii)-deregistering also causes the player to cease to be a person. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by G.: I really don't know where this utter nonsense of a "R101(vii) hard deregister" came from. I think a judge should stick a stake in it and call it done: 1. R101 uses the term "deregister". 2. The only natural language terms involve leaving a registration roll (tracked by the regsistrar). There's no other natural sense. 3. The rules define deregistration explicitly. These "hard deregistrations" ideas just seem to me, frankly, dimwitted and ignoring straightforward and explicit language that actually exists in the rules. You might infer that, if being a contract member is "playing", that R101 conflicts with R1742, and when you deregister (a single process, well- defined!) you'd cease to be in a contract because R101 has precedence over R1742, but that IN NO WAY IMPLIES that the process of doing so is anything other than the rules-defined deregistration announcement. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by Murphy: Personhood is defined for those who have never played, and similarly defined for those who have R101(vii)-stopped playing. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by ehird: It's just convenient shorthand for "regular deregistration that R101 makes funky". ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by ehird: Irrelevant; the fact is that as a person you can continue to play, and if one has the right to perform an action in opposition to "continue to play", they must cease to be a person. ("You can simply not act" is irrelevant; you could do the same while s taying a player. (And the fact that you could be punished for inaction as a player is also irrelevant; contracts can apply their own punishment outside of the courts like destroying assets)). ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by Pavitra: Sorry about that, everyone. I might as well post my incomplete attempt at working through 2706: ======================================================================== I accept the arguments by ehird and G. to the effect that there is only one form of deregistration, and that the hard/soft distinction is an unfortunate judicial fiction with no basis in the rules. Murphy correctly points out that Rule 2150 expressly defines (most) former players as persons, at Power 3: Any biological organism that is generally capable of communicating by email in English (including via a translation service) is a person. The question then is: does the text of Rule 101(vii) _conflict_ with the definition in Rule 2150, in the strong R1030 sense? The controversial text reads as follows: vii. Every player has the right to deregister rather than continue to play. The difficult points are the definitions of "rather than" and "play". ======================================================================== Judge ais523's Arguments: In CFJ 2706, ehird appears to be the only person seriously arguing for FALSE, so I will address eir argument for falsity. It contains a logical fallacy; despite the fact that a non-player person /can/ continue to play, they can also choose not to play. ehird's arguments might possibly indicate that after deregistering, a person cannot continue to play (per R101); but nothing there implies that the person ceases to be a person, just because persons can in general continue to play. (The argument is equivalent to claiming that a person ceases to be American upon deregistering due to R101, because it's possible for Americans to play Agora; although the possibility is indeed there, Americans don't have to.) Unfortunately, this CFJ suffers a wording problem, because not all players are necessarily persons. I therefore judge CFJ 2706 UNDETERMINED (but TRUE in nearly all the common cases; the exception is when a partnership player ceases to be a person before it's deregistered). ========================================================================