Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2739

===================  CFJ 2739 (Interest Index = 0)  ====================

    Taral has earned a white ribbon.

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Caller:                                 G.

Judge:                                  ais523
Judgement:                              FALSE

Appeal:                                 2739a
Decision:                               AFFIRM

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History:

Called by G.:                           24 Nov 2009 16:19:26 GMT
Assigned to ais523:                     28 Nov 2009 23:51:12 GMT
Judged FALSE by ais523:                 02 Dec 2009 21:46:31 GMT
Appealed by coppro:                     07 Dec 2009 01:30:28 GMT
Appealed by Taral:                      07 Dec 2009 03:16:59 GMT
Appealed by Murphy:                     07 Dec 2009 16:58:46 GMT
Appeal 2739a:                           07 Dec 2009 17:17:50 GMT
AFFIRMED on Appeal:                     14 Dec 2009 23:00:55 GMT

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Caller's Arguments:

On Tue, 24 Nov 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>                                         When a first-class person
>           has been a player continuously for at least three months,
>           was never a player before that period, and names another
>           player as eir mentor (and has not named a mentor in this
>           fashion before), the named player earns a White Ribbon.
>
> This seems to grandfather in everyone who was a player before the
> rule came to have this form.

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Caller's Evidence:

G. wrote:
> To be precise:  
>   I was (had been) a player from Feb 2001-May 2001.
>   I was never a player before that period.
>   I have never named a mentor.
>   I name Taral as my Mentor.

>From Rule 2199/8:
      (+W) When a first-class person becomes a player for the first
           time, e earns a White Ribbon.  When a first-class person
           has been a player continuously for at least three months,
           was never a player before that period, and names another
           player as eir mentor (and has not named a mentor in this
           fashion before), the named player earns a White Ribbon.

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Gratuitous Arguments by Wooble:

"has been" is the present perfect progressive
tense, and thus requires that the three month registration period in
question be the player's current registration, and that e had no
registration before that.

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Judge ais523's Arguments:

I judge CFJ 2739 FALSE. "has been" is the present perfect progressive
tense; all the top few websites that I checked when doing a Google
search for this say that (if used with a duration, like it is in this
case) the meaning is of a condition that was continuously true for the
stated time period up until now, and is still true now. So "a
first-class person has been a player continuously for at least three
months" means "continuously during a time period of at least three
months ending now, a first-class person was a player". Although this
condition applies to Taral, it only applies for eir most recent
registration, not for any registration before that; and so, the only
time period which meets that condition fails the "was never a player
before that period" test. (In other words, Wooble's gratuitous arguments
are correct here.) Compare "a first-class person was registered for
three months", the present perfect (non-progressive) tense, which would
have the meaning that would make this CFJ true.

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