Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2745 =================== CFJ 2745 (Interest Index = 3) ==================== Wooble is on the List of Succession. ======================================================================== Caller: coppro Judge: G. Judgement: TRUE ======================================================================== History: Called by coppro: 26 Nov 2009 17:57:01 GMT Assigned to G.: 29 Nov 2009 17:55:15 GMT Judged TRUE by G.: 01 Dec 2009 17:29:23 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: Is the List of Succession the active players awarded the 5 most recent instances of Champion? Is it the active players awarded the 5 most recent instances of Champion among active players? The text of the rule seems unclear, and requires careful semantic analysis (which I won't provide, as I'm not the judge). ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: Rule 402 reads: The List of Succession is a list of the five active players who were most recently awarded the patent title Champion. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by G.: The enumerated items are players, not title instances. A person is not more than one player (more than one element) no matter how many times e has won. If a player is on the list more than once, there are not five players on the list (in the set). ======================================================================== Judge G.'s Arguments: The phrase in question: > Rule 402 reads: > The List of Succession is a list of the five active players who > were most recently awarded the patent title Champion. The caller argues that the clause should be read as the list of the last 5 championship titles that were awarded, and the players that held them, even if a given player is listed more than once. This list (as it was at the time of the CFJ) is List A in Evidence. The "traditional" way of reading the list is that it is the list of 5 distinct (unique) players who were most recently awarded the title. (This is List B in evidence). The mathematical and common definition of "list" does not preclude duplicates from occurring. If instead of "list", the rule read "ordered set", it would clearly indicate the traditional meaning, as every element of a set must be unique. Therefore, taking the word "list" in isolation, the caller is correct. However, the phraseology "the five active players" does in fact strongly suggest an enumerated set in common language. If I shouted out "I need five volunteers" (without further qualification) it would not be common sense to choose the same person twice. Further, if I said "name five players with these characteristics" then naming a player twice wouldn't count. Third, "the" in "the five players" implies a unique set that is unique in its content (cardinality) as well as its ordinality. Fourth, the phrase later in the rule "player [who] became part of the list the longest time ago" implies that the date of being added and removed from the list is a unique event per player, which makes less sense if a player is added to the list twice. Finally, we have a strong tradition in Agora of treating a player as the fundamental unit of individuality; e.g. treating a player as "two positions" on a "list of players" would be more supported in a game that subscribed to avatar theory rather than a theory of players consisting of a set of unique persons. All of this, along with the (weaker in importance) fact that it is established custom, is sufficient to decide that the traditional interpretation is reasonable and supported, although legislative clarification would be nice. Therefore, List B is a reasonable and appropriate one. TRUE. ======================================================================== Judge G.'s Evidence: List A: Last 5 championship titles awarded to currently active players (all awarded Oct 2): coppro (eldest addition to list; allegedly Speaker) ais523 c. ais523 coppro List B: Last 5 (different) currently active players who received championship titles: Tiger (eldest addition to list; allegedly Speaker) c. ais523 coppro Wooble ========================================================================