Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2772 =================== CFJ 2772 (Interest Index = 0) ==================== The IBA is a player ======================================================================== Caller: ais523 Judge: coppro Judgement: TRUE ======================================================================== History: Called by ais523: 01 Mar 2010 17:36:28 GMT Assigned to comex: 06 Mar 2010 16:41:58 GMT comex recused: 12 Mar 2010 17:23:07 GMT Assigned to coppro: 14 Mar 2010 09:04:16 GMT Judged TRUE by coppro: 21 Mar 2010 19:55:20 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: As far as I know, since contracts were repealed, the IBA's Citizenship switch has never been flipped; I can't find a rule that would imply that it could flip platonically, and nobody has tried to flip it pragmatically. Therefore, the CFJ comes down to the existence or otherwise of the switch in question. Rule 869 makes it clear that this is equivalent to whether the IBA is an entity. Rule 1586 provides for an entity to cease to exist if the documents defining it are repealed or amended to cease defining it. This is a rather confusing test in this case; the backing document for the IBA can either be considered a legal fiction (in which case it may or may not still exist), or an actual message that created it (in which case it definitely does). There is a sort of confusion with contract law here; if an actual document, in someone's email inbox, creates a contract, how can it then be amended? On the other hand, if it's a legal fiction, what rule creates/created that legal fiction, and does that legal fiction still exist? In any case, rule 1586 does not seem to cause the repeal of the backing document of another backing document to cause any entities defined by the backing document to cease to exist; if the IBA's backing document has disappeared, it wasn't by being amended (the IBA hasn't been amended since contracts ceased to exist) or by being repealed (not itself being a rule). So I can't find an interpretation in which rule 1586 itself causes the IBA to cease to exist. Therefore, the point that remains to check, is whether the IBA continues to exist as an entity, despite not being an Agoran contract any more. It certainly seems possible for a construct within a nomic to survive the downfall of that nomic (Nomic World is dead, but the FRC still exists and is thriving); but it's hard to tell to what extent a former Agoran contract can continue to be an entity. In particular, is it deserving of a Citizenship switch? Also of relevance here may be CFJ 1992 (which found that any thing was an entity). So does "anything" include the IBA? Does "any thing"? Even if the IBA is deregistered, this case continues to be relevant. For instance, can we transfer assets to it? That also depends on whether or not it's an entity. ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: Excerpt from rule 869: {{{ Citizenship is an entity switch with values Unregistered (default) and Registered, tracked by the registrar. A player is an entity whose citizenship is Registered. Changes to citizenship are secured. }}} Excerpt from rule 1586: {{{ If the documents defining an entity are repealed or amended such that they no longer define that entity, then that entity and its properties cease to exist. If the documents defining an entity are amended such that they still define that entity but with different properties, then that entity and its properties continue to exist to whatever extent is possible under the new definitions. }}} ======================================================================== Judge coppro's Arguments: CFJs 2769 and 2772, which are effectively identical, are a stickier issue. They question whether or not the IBA ceased to be an entity and thus a player when the rules defining contracts were repealed. The definition of a contract was, prior to the repeal of Rule 1742, "[a binding agreement] goverened by the rules". This is key because it sets a fundamental principle that the rules did not provide for contracts' existence, merely their governance. Binding agreements not governed by the rules can and do exist, and are therefore valid Agoran entities. By legal convention, a binding agreement (I will avoid the term 'contract' when referring to real-world agreements) needs no physical existence; it can exist without any document behind it, such as when an agreement is formed at a grocery store to purchase a box of donuts. Rule 1586 provides for a means for an entity to cease to exist if the document backing it no longer defines that entity, but the real-world law of binding agreements indicates that agreements exist without any backing document; a document may exist to clarify the agreement, but it is not fatal to the existence of the agreement if the document is lost or destroyed. There are a few cases where a textual agreement is required for it to be enforceable (see the Statute of Frauds), but the lack of a text copy is not always fatal to the agreement (G 400 Holdings Ltd. v. Yeoman Development Company Limited, 2008 ABQB 667) In light of this, I find that the IBA and contracts in general did not cease to exist as entities when Rule 1742 was repealed, although they did cease to be subject generally to Agoran law. Accordingly, I judge CFJs 2769 and 2772 to both be TRUE. ========================================================================