Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=2800 =================== CFJ 2800 (Interest Index = 0) ==================== G. made two fee-based attempts to make proposal 6724 democratic. ======================================================================== Caller: G. Judge: Murphy Judgement: FALSE ======================================================================== History: Called by G.: 21 May 2010 19:43:32 GMT Assigned to Murphy: 22 May 2010 14:56:26 GMT Judged FALSE by Murphy: 22 May 2010 15:23:10 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: The message was typed once (and the send button hit once) but it was sent to two public fora (agora-business and the yoyo backup list). Was it one (attempted) action or two? As far as I know no precedent has been set for this. One one hand it was a single typed message, on the other it was sent "via" a forum twice (once per forum). ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: > Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: Kerim Aydin > Reply-To: Agora Nomic Backup List > To: Agora Business , > Agora Nomic Backup List > Subject: Re: BAK: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 6724-6727 > > > On Fri, 21 May 2010, Sean Hunt wrote: > >>> 6724 1 3.0 Spitemaster Green Agora Should Stay A Nomic > > I spend a fee to make 6724 democratic. > > I support all efforts to make 6725, 6726 democratic. Rule 478/27 (Power=3) Fora [extract] A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be public. A person "publishes" or "announces" something by sending a public message. Where the rules define an action that CAN be performed "by announcement", a person performs that action by unambiguously and clearly specifying the action and announcing that e performs it. Any action performed by sending a message is performed at the time date-stamped on that message. ======================================================================== Judge Murphy's Arguments: Despite being sent to and via two public fora, the message remained a single message, so the actions performed by it were not duplicated. In particular (and suggesting more borderline cases that might be judged differently): * e typed it only once and hit the send button only once * both fora had the same To: header, which listed both fora * both fora had the same Date: header * both fora delivered the message without significant variance in date-stamps, so by convention (precedent?) the Date: header is used for the purpose of Rule 478 * the message did not express any explicit intent to act once per forum ======================================================================== Judge Murphy's Evidence: Excerpts of headers from Murphy's copy sent via yoyo: Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 19:16:52 +0000 Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 19:16:52 +0000 Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:49 +1000 (EST) Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:48 +1000 (EST) Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:48 +1000 (EST) Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:45 +1000 Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:42 +1000 Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:42 +1000 (EST) Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:42 +1000 (EST) Received: ... Sat, 22 May 2010 05:16:41 +1000 (EST) Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:12 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Auth-Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 -0700 X-Auth-Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 PDT X-PMX-Version: .. Antispam-Data: 2010.5.21.190314 Excerpts of headers from Murphy's copy sent via a-b: Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 19:17:06 +0000 Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 19:17:06 +0000 Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 14:17:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 14:16:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:12 -0700 X-Auth-Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 -0700 X-Auth-Received: ... Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 PDT X-PMX-Version: ... Antispam-Data: 2010.5.21.190314 Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:12:11 -0700 (PDT) ========================================================================