Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3061 ============================== CFJ 3061 ============================== ais523 has more than 50 points. ======================================================================== Caller: ais523 Judge: woggle Judgement: FALSE ======================================================================== History: Called by ais523: 05 Jul 2011 16:17:41 GMT Assigned to Tanner L. Swett: 07 Jul 2011 02:13:36 GMT Tanner L. Swett recused: 24 Jul 2011 17:55:13 GMT Assigned to Yally: 24 Jul 2011 18:27:39 GMT Yally recused: 14 Aug 2011 17:19:09 GMT Assigned to woggle: 14 Aug 2011 17:44:10 GMT Judged FALSE by woggle: 20 Aug 2011 04:26:34 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: I see no reason why the creation of the promise would fail; just because its text is a proposal would not prevent it being created. However, I suspect the scam attempted above has two major flaws; one is that the author of a promise's text needn't be the author of the promise itself, and the other is that although a coauthor, in common speak, is an author of something, the promises rule is worded as if to expect that a promise has only one author, and thus is probably too ambiguous as to who it is that transfers the points. ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: I submit the following proposal, which is also a promise (title = Proposals and Promises are both text-bearing entities, coauthor = Murphy, AI = 1): {{{ I transfer 250 points to ais523. }}} Then I cash the above proposal, then (if it still exists) I retract it. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by G.: I'm pretty sure this fails because the rules explicitly define "co-author" for a proposal to have a secondary role different than the author (or set of equal co-authors, as in common language). Proposals always has one author (the submitter) and co-authors are 'in addition', not 'instead of' (R106, R1950, R1681, R2330). So a co-author of a proposal is, by definition, not the author of that proposal. ======================================================================== Judge woggle's Arguments: Promises are not documents; promises are abstract entities which have a property called their text, which may be a document. Proposals, on the other hand, are documents. ais523 may have succeeded at creating a promise whose text was also a proposal, but because e was the one who created the promise, per R2337, e is the promise's only author, even if e is not the only author of the promise's text. Additionally, even under the theory that Murphy was a co-author of the promise, the rule defining co-authors for promises states that "A co-author of a proposal is a person (*other than its author*)" (emphasis added) implying that the roles are mutually exclusive. ========================================================================