Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3089 ============================== CFJ 3089 ============================== I am Arkady English ======================================================================== Caller: Tanner L. Swett Judge: omd Judgement: FALSE ======================================================================== History: Called by Tanner L. Swett: 09 Aug 2011 16:50:24 GMT Assigned to Walker: 14 Aug 2011 17:51:15 GMT Walker recused: 14 Aug 2011 20:45:26 GMT Assigned to omd: 10 Sep 2011 18:57:37 GMT Judged FALSE by omd: 10 Sep 2011 22:05:45 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: For multiple reasons, this may not work, but... I intend to have Arkady English create the following promise and transfer it to me: "Text: I perform the action specified by the cashier. Conditions for non-destruction: 0 = 0." Now, suppose I intend for my nephew to clean his room. It wouldn't make any sense for him to say, "Well, I support your intent, but I'm still not going to do it". The only reasonable way for him to support my intent would be to actually carry it out, right? In particular, if he supports the intent "as specified", and I specify that he cleans is room, that means he actually cleans his room. I create a promise with the condition "e = pi" and the text "If I have supported or objected to an action, I retract my support or objection for an action. I support or object the action as specified by the casher. This support/objection may not be withdrawn. OR I withdraw any votes I have made on a specified proposal, and use all my votes in the manner specified by the casher. These votes may not be withdrawn." I cash the promise Arkady English transferred to me about two hours ago, specifying that he support the intent I created above, by carrying it out. I then destroy the promise I created in the previous paragraph. I cash the promise Arkady English created just now, specifying the following action: calling a CFJ on the statement "I am Arkady English". If Arkady English did not just now call a CFJ on the statement "I am Arkady English", then I call a CFJ on that statement. I submit this entire message as evidence in the CFJ called in the above paragraph. —Tanner L. Swett ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by Murphy: Arkady English's vote-swap promises clearly invoked the context of dependent actions. If Tanner's intent is interpreted as an intent to perform a dependent action ("I intend to cause Arkady English to create" etc.), then it fails because it didn't specify a method as required by R1728(a), and also because "support" is implicitly defined by R2124. ======================================================================== Judge omd's Arguments: Partial text from the promise that the caller was trying to cash: > I have supported or objected to an action, I retract my support > or objection for an action. I support or object the action as > specified by the casher. This support/objection may not be withdrawn. This message, even if sent standalone, would indeed clearly invoke the context of dependent actions, so I concur with Murphy's arguments and judge FALSE. ========================================================================