Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3107 ========================= Criminal Case 3107 ========================= omd has stirred up prejudice and ill-will against Agora among the Artists of Blognomic by sending the message quoted in Evidence to a public forum and several members of Blognomic. In doing so, he violated Rule 101 by failing to treat Agora right good forever. ======================================================================== Caller: Bucky Barred: omd Judge: G. Judgement: NOT GUILTY ======================================================================== History: Called by Bucky: 21 Oct 2011 03:05:42 GMT Defendant omd informed: 21 Oct 2011 03:05:42 GMT Assigned to ais523: 21 Oct 2011 03:37:54 GMT Transferred from ais523 to G.: 21 Oct 2011 16:46:00 GMT Judged NOT GUILTY by G.: 21 Oct 2011 16:46:00 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: The Accused sent an incendiary message to the agora-business public forum, quoted in Evidence (1). In this message, he notes that Agorans attempted to invade Blognomic and that Blognomic artists who were not also Agora players objected to the invasion. He then encourages others to continue performing the very action which the Blognomic artists objected to. Furthermore, the message contained deliberate insults towards arbitrary members of Blognomic. Furthermore, the message was not sent only to players; it was sent to all subscribers to agora-business. Several Blognomic artists (including Bucky, Darth Cliche and Ienpw III - see Evidence (2) - and likely including others ) who are not current Agora players are subscribed to the list, a fact which he knew and/or could easily have found out. CfJ 2515 found that bringing Agora into disrepute would violate rule 101. The Accused has most certainly done so. ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: (1): From: omd To: agora-business@agoranomic.org Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 8:44 PM Subject: BUS: HELP! (Call to Arms) WE, the almighty and most noble Game of Agora (or a good chunk of it - initial distribution included active players except some newbies to prevent leaks), in our infinite wisdom, have decided to INVADE BLOGNOMIC, for the Greater Good of both nomics, to end the current stalling dynasty and replace it with a NEW DYNASTY led by the Speaker, the Game of Agora Itself. Unfortunately, the perfidious and short-sighted BlogNomicians have had the AUDACITY to ORGANIZE A DEFENSE, and a whole ARMY of idle players is reactivating and VOTING AGAINST our Most Honourable Proposal! This is unacceptable, and YOU can help! If you haven't yet, make an account ( http://blognomic.com/member/register/), and write a short post (http://blognomic.com/update/index.php?C=publish) announcing your arrival! Then ask scshunt to process your registration, and when he's done so, VOTE FOR OUR CFJ (http://blognomic.com/archive/cfj_attn_cotc/) by posting a comment containing ":FOR:"! Defend our honor! Don't make us remember this WAR in the annals of history alongside the failed Acka-Agoran War and Risho-Agoran War! To arms! seriously, do it :p (2) The three entities named have each sent messages to the mailing list in question. That mailing list provides a list of subscribers, and the addresses from which the respective messages were sent are on that list. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by ehird: "Right good forever" cases are as oft-attempted as they are unsuccessful. You cannot just accuse someone of violating the rules based on a whimsical umbrella statement without an actual concrete violation. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by Pavitra: The crux of the caller's argument is this: > CfJ 2515 found that bringing Agora into disrepute would violate rule > 101. The Accused has most certainly done so. Opinions on a scam still in progress may easily differ from opinions by the same people on the same scam upon later reflection. It would be better, I think, to wait until BlogNomic is no longer caught up in the heat of the moment before evaluating the effects that the invasion has had on Agora's reputation. Unfortunately, Agora currently has no mechanism to wait for further evidence; if the case is judged while the scam is still ongoing, then NOT GUILTY is appropriate by reason of reasonable doubt, and any case called later in light of further evidence would be NOT GUILTY be reason of previous trial, R1504(c). I therefore recommend that the caller retract the CFJ for the time being, and re-call it in a week or so. Barring that, I would request of the CotC and the judge to delay it in the system as long as possible; appeals may also be helpful. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by ehird: Judge ais523's example hypothetical violation of that clause in eir judgement of CFJ 2515 was "to bring Agora into sufficient disrepute that playing nomic was made illegal in a real-world country"; the alleged violation here is so hopelessly minor in comparison as to be ludicrous. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by omd: It is my hope that by the time this is over, whatever the outcome, most involved will consider the invasion a positive thing. ======================================================================== Judge G.'s Arguments: CFJ 2515 answers whether it's even conceivably possible to violate the R101 clause in question, and so uses a hypothetical extreme of "sufficient disrepute that playing nomic was made illegal in a real- world country". I would say that even this level of disrepute is not necessarily sufficient. For example, in this internet age it's conceivable that an Agoran forum could end up transferring "illegal" messages from demonstrators in oppressive regimes, which in the grand scheme would be a great service, not a measure of disrepute (it's possible that blanket firewalls of some countries already filter out Agora; I don't know). Still, the hypothetical possibility has been judged to exist. So, as not to allow these hypothetical extremes to be extrapolated as a threat to daily discourse, I think a high bar needs to be set for violation. I would say that the test on whether an act violates the "right good forever" clause is whether the act is BOTH (a) truly ethically, and morally repugnant, or against the spirit of nomic as a whole and (b) something that the actor has maliciously foreseen could lead directly and immediately to Agora's effective and irrecoverable demise as a nomic. In the Realpolitik world of internomic rivalry, this scarcely qualifies. Nor do scams or general takeover attempts of Agora, even if it angers players (e.g. by forcing multiple deregistrations). On the other hand, a scam that involved technical disabling of Agoran fora or the making of large numbers of non-person sockpuppets might qualify (against the nomic spirt and immediately crippling). It's conceivably possible that the hyperbolic rhetoric of invasion could hurt Agora through sparking a counter-invasion, but it brings goodas follows: 1. It has enlivened both games' fora; 2. If Agora is not to be Loved, it Should be Feared; 3. Evidence is that this is leading to a round of defense-building in both games; 4. Outside of its graciously resident Agorans, BlogNomic is a stagnant swamp of slacking sockpuppets which needs the firm control of its betters to be guided back onto the path of righteous Nomicness. NOT GUILTY (the Accused did not breach the specified Rule with the specified Act). ========================================================================