Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3117 ============================== CFJ 3117 ============================== The set of rule picks in the above-quoted message was made at random. ======================================================================== Caller: ais523 Judge: woggle Judgement: TRUE ======================================================================== History: Called by ais523: 26 Oct 2011 20:49:58 GMT Assigned to Walker: 31 Oct 2011 22:22:43 GMT Walker recused: 13 Nov 2011 18:42:05 GMT Assigned to woggle: 13 Nov 2011 18:45:46 GMT Judged TRUE by woggle: 14 Nov 2011 01:14:52 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: They are the same as an attempted set of picks that G. tried to make earlier, and e made a concious decision to use the same set rather than rerandomizing. ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: On Wed, 2011-10-26 at 13:40 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > With 2 Support I do so. I announce the start of Delve 4 with these (same) Rules > selected: > Rule 2335 (Judge Points) > Rule 2205 (Judicial Arguments and Evidence) > Rule 2338 (Cashing Promises) ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by Pavitra: they were selected randomly, but the random selection did not occur while no Expedition was ongoing. ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by G.: 1. The "auto-picks" script produces random numbers similar to other internet dice servers. For this contest, as for other previous applications, we have often used numbers that were sent in one message, and then posted a follow-up action. In previous delves, I did this (posted a follow-up message officially announcing the delve start). For example, on June 27 there were several minutes between pick and official starting gun. 2. In this case there was a little time for others to react to the pick. As contestmaster, I state that this is within the spirit of the contest to make the decision for these to stand (given the fairly short time involved, and part of the reason being to be inclusive). I point out the following clause in the contest: "The contestmaster's decision on these awards and interpretations of these Contest Regulations is final, unless e is found by the Courts to be acting in arbitrary and capricious disregard for these regulations." Therefore, the standard for rejecting this interpretation should be high - my decision should only be reversed if I'm showing "arbitrary and capricious" disregard for the regulations. ======================================================================== Judge woggle's Arguments: I judge CFJ 3117 TRUE. The rule-picks were made by a suitable random process. Note that the rule picks being made at random is necessary but not sufficient to comply with the requirement that "When no Expedition is ongoing, the Contestmaster SHALL, ASAP, randomly select and publish the name and number of three Rules from the most recently-published Ruleset (the Goals)". Particularly, this requires that a new random selection be made each time one is required (rather than just any random selection being used), which apparently did not occur in this case. ========================================================================