Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3124 ============================== CFJ 3124 ============================== The text labelled in this message as a Victory Announcement is a factually-correct Victory Announcement. ======================================================================== Caller: G. Barred: Bucky Judge: omd Judgement: TRUE Judge: omd Judgement: FALSE ======================================================================== History: Called by G.: 07 Nov 2011 14:41:19 GMT Assigned to Yally: 10 Nov 2011 16:38:45 GMT Yally recused: 20 Nov 2011 22:36:53 GMT Assigned to Walker: 20 Nov 2011 23:12:18 GMT Walker recused: 04 Dec 2011 17:33:19 GMT Assigned to Machiavelli: 04 Dec 2011 17:34:42 GMT Machiavelli recused: 08 Dec 2011 20:05:27 GMT Assigned to omd: 10 Dec 2011 22:49:51 GMT Judged TRUE by omd: 12 Dec 2011 07:36:09 GMT Reconsideration requested by G.: 13 Dec 2011 20:33:59 GMT Reconsideration requested by Murphy: 13 Dec 2011 20:37:53 GMT Reconsideration requested by omd: 13 Dec 2011 20:37:53 GMT Assigned to omd: 13 Dec 2011 20:37:53 GMT Judged FALSE by omd: 13 Dec 2011 20:37:53 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: Not a "rules-defined victory condition" at the time that Proposal 7129 took effect. Note that the author of R2343/3 was very very explicit at limiting victory conditions to rules-defined ones as the result of a recent scam, so the intent of this new rule text should be considered. Proposal 7129 passed before R2343/3 took effect (in Proposal 7135) and victory conditions did not have to be rules defined in R2343/2. So a likely interpretation is that the win was quite valid and a Victory Condition was achieved but no Victory Announcement is currently possible. ======================================================================== Caller's Evidence: > ID: 7129 > Title: Why did we repeal that victory condition? > Author: scshunt > AI: 1.0 > Text: > > Bucky satisfies the Victory Condition of Paradox. VICTORY ANNOUNCEMENT: Bucky has satisfied the Victory Condition of Paradox. Rule 2343/3 (Power=1.7) Victory Conditions [excerpt] A Victory Condition is a condition explicitly defined by the rules as a victory condition. A Victory Announcement is a published statement labeled as a Victory Announcement that states clearly that a specified person or persons have satisfied a specified and rules-defined victory condition (and explicitly and clearly states which persons and which victory condition). A Victory Announcement is self-ratifying. ======================================================================== Judge omd's Arguments: I concur with the caller's argument. TRUE. (However, Bucky currently satisfies the newly enacted Victory Condition of Paradox, so an identical Victory Announcement posted now would be factually correct and allow em to finally receive eir win.) ======================================================================== Request for reconsideration by G.: I intend to motion to reconsider with 2 support. The caller's arguments (mine) were generally for FALSE; I can't tell here if the judge TRUED when e meant to FALSE or whether e was reading the caller's arguments as being supporting of TRUE. ======================================================================== Request for reconsideration by omd: Oops, I meant FALSE. I support and do so, and judge FALSE. ======================================================================== Judge omd's Arguments: Oops, I meant FALSE. I support and do so, and judge FALSE. ========================================================================