Detail: http://zenith.homelinux.net/cotc/viewcase.php?cfj=3125 ========================= Criminal Case 3125 ========================= scshunt broke rule 2338 by cashing a promise with insufficient context. ======================================================================== Caller: ais523 Barred: scshunt Judge: omd Judgement: NOT GUILTY ======================================================================== History: Called by ais523: 13 Nov 2011 22:59:49 GMT Defendant scshunt informed: 13 Nov 2011 22:59:49 GMT Assigned to omd: 18 Nov 2011 23:34:26 GMT Judged NOT GUILTY by omd: 19 Nov 2011 00:04:12 GMT ======================================================================== Gratuitous Arguments by scshunt: First, I dispute the notion that there is insufficient referent. The message is generated via a promise. If 'this promise' has sufficient referent within the first attempt to cash it, then there is no reason to believe that that referent would change with multiple recursive applications of the promise. Moreover, the analogy to rules and proposals is flawed, as would the following proposal not succeed? {{ Enact a new power-4 rule entitled "Superpowers" reading This proposal CAN make arbitrary changes to the gamestate, rules to the contrary notwithstanding. Simultaneously enact two new rules, reading 'Tweedledee' and 'Tweedledum', respectively. Repeal 'Superpowers'. }} While the referent to 'this proposal' has no meaning outside the context of the application of the proposal, it certainly does for the duration of the proposal. Applying the common-sense interpretation per R217, this would succeed. Likewise, I argue that the body of the promise, by referring to 'this promise', provides itself with sufficient context to apply correctly. ======================================================================== Judge omd's Arguments: "This promise" and similar constructions, while awkward considering how promises work, are well precedented: (omd) "I publicly congratulate the casher for eir judgement." (G.) "I transfer 6 points to the casher of this promise." (scshunt) "I retract any votes on the Proposal N and vote to ENDORSE the player cashing this promise." (scshunt) "I transfer 5 points to the cashier." Since there is an obvious and unambiguous referent, I see no reason to forbid the term. NOT GUILTY. ========================================================================