From: <magika@aracnet.com>
To: agora-off <agora-official@gecko.serc.rmit.edu.au>
Subject: OFF: Motion 1178.1 Granted
Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 8:13 PM


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                              CFJ 1178

    Rule 1729 permits voting on Insane Proposals by private message
    to the Assessor, even when the prevailing mode of voting on
    Proposals is Public.

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Motion 1178.1 by Blob:

    If this is judged TRUE, I request that the Judge order R1729
    to be annotated with this text.

Motion granted by Judge Michael.

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Called by:           Blob

Judge:               Michael
Judgement:           TRUE

Judge selection:

Eligible:            Michael, Murphy, Palnatoke, Peekee, t, Wes

Not eligible:
Caller:              Bob
Barred:              -
Had their turn:      Blob, Chuck, Crito, Elysion, harvel, Kolja, Lee
Already served:      -
Defaulted:           -
By request:          -
On Hold:             elJefe, Steve

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History:

Called by Blob:                       12 Nov 1999 12:41:18 +1100
Assigned to Michael:                  13 Nov 1999 11:03:17 -0800
Judged TRUE by Michael:               18 Nov 1999 10:36:54 +0000
Judgement Distributed:                18 Nov 1999 16:30:41 -0800
Motion 1178.1 Granted by Michael:     19 Nov 1999 11:48:07 +0000

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Caller's Arguments:

Rule 1729 says in part "Nor shall a Player Vote in public, only to
Assessor." Plainly the first half of this prohibits voting in the
public forum, but the second half might reasonably be interpreted
as allowing voting privately to the Assessor. R1764 would otherwise
prohibit such private voting when the prevaling mode of voting is
Public, but R1729 takes precedence in this conflict.

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Evidence attached by the Caller:

Rule 1764/5 (Power=1)
Modes of Voting

      (a) There are three possible modes of voting on Proposals,
          Elections and Referenda: Public, Private and Unrestricted.
          The prevailing mode for each of each of Proposals, Elections
          and Referenda is initially Public.

      (b)  (1) The Assessor may change the prevailing mode of voting
               for Proposals, with Support.

           (2) The Registrar may change the prevailing mode of
               voting for Elections, with Support.

           (3) The prevailing mode of Referenda is always Public.

      (c) When the Voting Period on a Proposal, Election or Referendum
          begins, the mode of voting for that Proposal, Election or
          Referendum is set to the prevailing mode for that kind of
          vote.  Once set in this manner, the mode of voting cannot be
          changed.

      (d)  (1) If the mode of voting is Public, then any other Rule to
               the contrary notwithstanding, the casting of any votes,
               or the declaration of Presence, by Voting Entities on
               that Proposal, Election or Referendum, may only be
               achieved by sending a message to the Public Forum.

           (2) If the mode of voting is Private, then any other Rule
               to the contrary notwithstanding, the casting of any
               votes, or the declaration of Presence, by Voting
               Entities on that Proposal, Election or Referendum, may
               only be achieved by sending a message privately to the
               Vote Collector.

           (3) If the mode of voting is Unrestricted, then any other
               Rule to the contrary notwithstanding, the casting of
               any votes, or the declaration of Presence, by Voting
               Entities on that Proposal, Election or Referendum, may
               be achieved by sending a message either publically or
               privately.



Rule 1729/2 (Power=1)
Insanity

      An Interested Proposal is Insane, if it contains no minuscule
         letter.
      (That is the opposite of CAPITAL, for those who know not
         better.)

      For such a Proposal, until the Voting Period has ended:
      there shall be no discussing Votes, or this Rule has been
         bended.
      Nor shall a Player Vote in public, only to Assessor.
      The Votes shall be unknown to others, even employer and
         professor.

      And should at the end, Votes FOR plainly lack,
      The wicked Proposer shall be Maniac.

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Judge's Arguments:

    As Blob argues, R1729 "Insanity" takes precedence over R1764
    "Modes of Voting", by virtue of its lower number.  R1729 seems to
    require private voting on Insane proposals, while R1764 and the
    fact that the mode of voting for Proposals is currently Public,
    requires Public voting.

    The only way in which this statement might be seen to be FALSE
    would be to claim that the phrase "Nor shall a Player Vote in
    public, only to Assessor" from R1729 forbids voting in Public but
    does not simultaneously permit voting directly to the Assessor.
    It is not inconceivable that one rule should require a Player to
    perform something while another should forbid it, and one might
    argue that this was the situation here.

    Personally, I do not find this line of reasoning convincing in the
    case at hand.  A perfectly reasonably interpretation exists
    without requiring the contortions of the argument above.
    Therefore I uphold the claimant's reasoning, and return a
    judgement of TRUE.

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