============================== CFJ 3293 ============================== With 1.5 Agoran consent, I CAN destroy the Lost and Found Department. ======================================================================== Caller: woggle Judge: Machiavelli Judgement: IRRELEVANT Judge: Machiavelli Judgement: FALSE ======================================================================== History: Called by woggle: 20 Jan 2013 06:01:24 GMT Assigned to Machiavelli: 09 Feb 2013 17:50:11 GMT Judged IRRELEVANT by Machiavelli: 09 Feb 2013 21:59:49 GMT Reconsideration requested by omd: 09 Feb 2013 22:03:57 GMT Reconsideration requested by G.: 11 Feb 2013 02:44:21 GMT Reconsideration requested by Machiavelli: 11 Feb 2013 17:32:56 GMT Assigned to Machiavelli: 11 Feb 2013 17:32:56 GMT Judged FALSE by Machiavelli: 11 Feb 2013 17:32:56 GMT ======================================================================== Caller's Arguments: The Lost and Found Department is a Marine (an asset) and owned by itself. ======================================================================== Judge Machiavelli's Arguments: As Rule 2386 "Belligerence" has been repealed, the mechanism by which Marines purportedly could be destroyed no longer exists; therefore, I judge IRRELEVANT. If Rule 2386 had not been repealed, I believe this would be false; per CFJ 3290, Rule 2386 failed to define marines as units. ======================================================================== Request for reconsideration by <function player at 0xb6d4d6f4>: The phrasing of the IRRELEVANT clause is in a subordinate clause to the overreaching statement of timing in R591, so it is far more reasonable to go with the actual wording than a minor grammatical inconsistency. ======================================================================== Request for reconsideration by <function player at 0xb6d4d6f4>: As I see it, there is no inconsistency here. Truth values are evaluated at the time the inquiry case was initiated, and everything else is evaluated at the time the inquiry case is judged; that is what the rules say, and nothing in the rules contradicts this. In my opinion, common sense also agrees with this interpretation: the relevance of the statement at the time the case was initiated is less important than the relevance of the statement at the time the case is judged. ======================================================================== Judge Machiavelli's Arguments: per CFJ 3290, Rule 2386 failed to define marines as units. Therefore, the Lost and Found Department, despite being a Marine, was not a unit, and thus was not an asset, and thus was not owned by the Lost and Found Department. ========================================================================