>From email@example.com Mon Nov 6 03:52:05 1995 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [22.214.171.124]) by Shamino.quincy.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id DAA10895 for <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 03:52:04 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA10938 for nomic-official-outgoing; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:48:53 -0800 Received: from wing4.wing.rug.nl (wing4.wing.rug.nl [126.96.36.199]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA10923 for <email@example.com>; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 01:48:47 -0800 Message-Id: <199511060948.BAA10923@desiree.teleport.com> Received: by wing4.wing.rug.nl (188.8.131.52/16.2) id AA29164; Mon, 6 Nov 1995 10:47:26 +0100 >From: Andre Engels <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: OFF: CFJ 822 Judgement: TRUE To: email@example.com Date: Mon, 6 Nov 95 10:47:26 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: email@example.com Status: RO ====================================================================== ASSIGNMENT CFJ 822 Parts A2, A3, A4, and A5 of the Move made by *Water under the title 'The High Horse' are illegal, even if The High Horse could legally make Moves at the time it made these Moves. ====================================================================== Judge: Michael Judgement: Eligible: Andre, Chuck, Dave Bowen, elJefe, Erick, favor, KoJen, Michael, Oerjan, Steve, Swann, Vanyel, Vlad, Zefram Not Eligible: Caller: Morendil Barred: SaltWater, Kelly, Coco On Hold: Effects: Michael gains 5 Points for speedy Judgement ====================================================================== History: Called by Morendil, 1 Nov 1995, 01:52 +0001 Assigned to Michael, 1 Nov 1995, 12:27 MET Judged TRUE by Michael, 3 Nov 1995, 18:02 GMT ====================================================================== Argument : *Water's Rule Changes are not Proposed Rule Changes. This is blindingly obvious. They are not, however, non-Proposed Rule Changes either, since their take effect as the "result of the effect or action", not of a Rule, but of a Move. ====================================================================== Decision & Arguments Judge Judgement: TRUE Argument: The High Horse never provably existed as a Nomic Entity, and so could not have carried out the actions that *Water wanted it to. In any case, as the caller pointed out, the supposed actions of the High Horse here were attempts to change rules, and 1339/2 (MI=3) makes it clear that rule changes must come about through either a Proposal or the action of a Rule. The High Horse fits neither category. ====================================================================== Evidence : Rule 105 : "No Rule may be changed except by the means of a Rule Change of a type specified in the Rules". Rule 1339 concerning the two types of Rule Changes, with particular attention to the part which states that a non-Proposed rule change takes effect "as the result of the effect or action of a Rule". Evidence, added by Judge: (initial paragraph of 1339/2): There are two types of Rule Change. A Proposed Rule Change is a Rule Change which appears in a Proposal, and which, insofar as the Rules permit it to take effect, has the effect of Creating, Amending, Mutating, Repealing or otherwise changing a Rule as defined elsewhere in the Rules, directly as a result of the passage of a Proposal. A non-Proposed Rule Change has the same effect as a Proposed Rule Change, but insofar as the Rules permit it to take effect, it does so not as the direct result of the passage of a Proposal, but rather, indirectly, as the result of the effect or action of a Rule. Michael.