From firstname.lastname@example.org Wed Nov 22 10:37:06 1995 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [22.214.171.124]) by Shamino.quincy.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA26692 for <email@example.com>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 10:37:01 -0600 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id IAA05459 for nomic-official-outgoing; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:29:16 -0800 Received: from wing3.wing.rug.nl (wing3.wing.rug.nl [126.96.36.199]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA05432 for <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 08:29:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199511221629.IAA05432@desiree.teleport.com> Received: by wing3.wing.rug.nl (188.8.131.52/16.2) id AA23694; Wed, 22 Nov 1995 17:28:09 +0100 From: Andre Engels <email@example.com> Subject: OFF: CFJ 828 Judgement: FALSE To: firstname.lastname@example.org Date: Wed, 22 Nov 95 17:28:09 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: email@example.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: firstname.lastname@example.org Status: RO ====================================================================== JUDGEMENT CFJ 828 The Rules generally should be interpreted such that the Mintor of the Group Coins of any given Group is the Mint, and that all Group Coins existing just prior to the adoption of Proposal 1760 still existed just after the adoption of Proposal 1760. ====================================================================== Judge: Coco (defaulted) elJefe Judgement: FALSE Eligible: Andre, Chuck, Dave Bowen, elJefe, Kelly, KoJen, Michael, Morendil, Oerjan, Pascal, Saltwater, Steve, Swann, Vanyel, Vlad, Wes, Zefram Not Eligible: Caller: favor Barred: On Hold: 1005: Defaulted: Coco Effects: Coco gains 3 Blots for defaulting Coco is not eligible to be a Judge until e requests the CotC to be eligible again. elJefe gains 5 Points for speedy Judgement ====================================================================== History: Called by favor, 8 Nov 1995, 17:12 EST Assigned to Coco, 9 Nov 1995, 9:28 MET Defaulted by Coco, 16 Nov 1995, 9:28 MET Ineffective Judgement of FALSE from Coco, 17 Nov 1995, 10:59 -0600 (CST) Assigned to elJefe, 21 Nov 1995, 11:56 MET Judged FALSE by elJefe, 22 Nov 1995, 11:13 -0500 ====================================================================== Arguments: The new Organization Rules are a bit wavy on Group Coins. 766 clearly causes such things to exist, but it does not explicitly say what the Mintor is. Neither it nor any other Rule seems to "specifically permit" a Group "to become the Mintor of a Currency", so by 1474 the Mintor of a Group's Coins cannot be the Group itself. By 1467, if the Mintor of a Currency is otherwise undefined, it's the Mint, so the Mint is apparently the Mintor of Group Coins. Now on continuity: the Judgements in CFJs 815 and 816 teach that when the Rules governing a type of entity change, and some plausible changes to the existing entities of that type will bring them into conformance with the Rules, those changes occur. It seems correct, then, to say that the existing Group Coins, and the various Currencies of which they are instances, continue to exist, and just change as needed (their Mintors used to be the Groups, for instance, and now it's the Mint). ====================================================================== Decision & Reasoning Judge: Judgment: FALSE Reasons and Arguments: This judgement turns on a precise reading of Rule 1471. I was strongly inclined to say that the old Coins continue to exist but am now unable to do so. Rule 766 explicitly defines Coins to be a Currency. As there is no entity otherwise defined in the Rules to be their Mintor, (the title of Rule 1474 is not part of the Rule) the second paragraph of Rule 1467 tells us that their Mintor is the Mint. Rule 1474/0 clearly said that the Mintor for a Group's Coins was the Group. That language was amended away by Proposal 1760, and the Group issuing the Coins then ceased to have authority to be a Mintor, that authority now going to the Mint. Rule 1471/0 states that If the Mintor of a Currency ceases to exist, or ceases to have ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the authority to be a Mintor, then all units of that Currency ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ are immediately destroyed, and Currency ceases to exist. Therefore the old Coins ceased to exist upon adoption of Proposal 1760. ------ It may be objected that the intention of 1471 was not to destroy the Coins in any transfer of Mintors. I respond that it was not anyone's "intention" to change the Group Coin Mintor at all, but it still happened. It may be objected that 1471 ought to be interpreted that when the Mintor's authority is transferred from one Mintor to another, that the Mintor has not "ceased to have authority to be a Mintor" since the new Mintor still has that authority. I reject this interpretation as counter-linguistic; it would interpret the following statements as tautologically false: "a Voter ceases to be a Player", or "an Officer ceases to fill that Office", or "the Speaker- elect ceases to be Speaker-elect" or "a Contestant ceases to be a Contestant". Statements like these may be found in Rules 1043, 880, 402, and 1539. Even though a conclusion is inconvenient, the temptation of avoiding it by misinterpreting the Rules, or language, must be resisted. The change of Mintor means that one entity ceased to have the authority and another one began having it. It may be objected that CFJ 815 should be interpreted as keeping the Coins in existence. Judge |favor|'s excellent judgement should be read carefully; it states in favored conclusion (b.), For some Entities and some Rule changes, of course, the only change to the Entity that would bring it (or the Game state as a whole) into conformance with the Rules would be for it to cease to exist. In any case, CFJ 815 is an interpretation of Rule 1011. Rule 1011 only has something to say if the Rules do not specify an action. In this case Rule 1471 clearly specifies the action of destroying all Coins and the old Currency. ------ Recommendation: I recommend that legislation be passed curing the defects in Rules 1471 and 766. FIRST: That Rule 1471 be amended to delete the above language and instead say If at any time, a Currency ceases to have a valid Mintor, then all units of that Currency are immediately destroyed, and Currency ceases to exist. This is like the wording for the requirement of having a Recordkeepor. SECOND: That Rule 766 be amended to add language saying The Mintor for each variety of Group Coin is the associated Group. ---------------------------------- - elJefe, Judge ****************************************************************** Dr. Jeffrey L. Caruso <email@example.com> Information International ====================================================================== Evidence: Rule 766/3 Rule 1474/0 Rule 1474/1 Rule 1467/1 Judgement of CFJ 815 (included by mention) Judgement of CFJ 816 (included by mention) Evidence added by Judge: Rule 1471/0 Evidence added by CotC: Ineffective Judgement by Coco ========================================================================= Rule 766/3 (Mutable, MI=1) Groups Let there be a Class of Organization known as a Group. A Group's Compact consists only of Statutes, and are known collectively as its Ordinances, an individual Statute of its Compact is known as an Ordinance. Its Administrator is known as the Group's Ordinancekeepor. A Group has one Treasury, and its Executor is known as the Group's Vizier. A Group has an associated form of Currency. The generic name of all Group Currencies is "Coins." The specific name of a Group's Currency is <name> Coins, where <name> is the Name of the Group. Players within the Ordinances' Jurisdiction are known as the Group's Membership. Both the Vizier and the Ordinancekeepor of the Group must be Members of the Group. At all times there must be a Vizier and Ordinancekeepor for every Group. History: ... Amended(1) by Proposal 1415, Feb. 1 1995 Amended(2) by Proposal 1601, Jun. 19 1995 Amended(3) by Proposal 1760, Oct. 21 1995 ---------------------------------------- Rule 1467/1 (Mutable, MI=1) Definition of a Currency A Currency is a type of Nomic Entity. Only those Nomic Entities which are specifically defined by the Rules as being Currencies are Currencies. A Currency must have a Name (which must not be the name of any other Currency), a minimum unit quantity, a Recordkeepor, and a Mintor. The Mintor of a Currency is the Mint if it is not otherwise defined. The minimum unit quantity (MUQ) of a Currency is the smallest amount of that Currency which may be transferred. All transfers, holdings, and calculations involving a given Currency shall be rounded off to the nearest multiple of its MUQ. The MUQ of a given Currency is 1, unless another Rule specifies a different MUQ for that Currency. The Recordkeepor of a Currency is the Player who is required to maintain a record of the amount of that Currency held in the various Treasuries which exist. If a Currency ceases to have a valid Recordkeepor, the Banker (or, in eir absence, the Speaker) shall fulfill that responsibility until a new Recordkeepor is selected according to the appropriate procedures. If no procedure exists to select a new recordkeepor, all units of the Currency are instead destroyed, and the Currency ceases to exist. The Mintor of a Currency is the Nomic Entity which is authorized to create and destroy units of that Currency. If the Mintor of a Currency ceases to exist, all units of the Currency are immediately destroyed, and the Currency also ceases to exist. The Banker shall maintain a record of all existing Currencies and their MUQs, Recordkeepors, and Mintors. History: Created by Proposal 1601, Jun. 19 1995 Amended(1) by Proposal 1685, Sep. 1 1995 ---------------------------------------- Rule 1471/0 (Mutable, MI=1) Creation and Destruction of Currencies The Mintor of a Currency may, at any time, create new units of that Currency, so long as this creation is permitted by the Rules. These newly-created units of Currency are placed in the Treasury of the Mintor. Units of Currency may not otherwise be created except as specifically authorized by the Rules. The Mintor of a Currency may, at any time, destroy those units of that Currency which it currently possesses in its Treasury, so long as this destruction is permitted by the Rules. Units of Currency may not be otherwise destroyed except as specifically authorized by the Rules. If the Mintor of a Currency ceases to exist, or ceases to have the authority to be a Mintor, then all units of that Currency are immediately destroyed, and Currency ceases to exist. The Mintor of the Currency shall notify the Recordkeepor of the Currency as soon as possible after it creates or destroys Units of Currency. A Mintor must have a Treasury. History: Created by Proposal 1601, Jun. 19 1995 ---------------------------------------- Rule 1474/0 (Mutable, MI=1) Coins Each Group shall have an associated Currency, the name of which shall be formed by appending the word "Coins" to the name of the Group. The MUQ of all Group Coins is 1. The Recordkeepor for each variety of Group Coin is the Vizier of the associated Group. The Mintor for each variety of Group Coin is the associated Group. History: Created by Proposal 1601, Jun. 19 1995 ---------------------------------------- Rule 1474/1 (Mutable, MI=1) Coins An Organization is permitted to be the Mintor of a Currency _only_ if that Organization possesses a Treasury, _and_ if the Rules defining that Organization's Class specifically permit it to become the Mintor of a Currency. Each Rule that permits an Organization of a specific Class to be a Mintor must define a unique generic name for every type of Currency associated with that Class of Organization. The name of any Currency associated with a specific Organization shall be the Name of the Organization followed by the unique generic name defined by the Class of that Organization. The Recordkeepor of any Organization's Currency is the Executor of the associated Organization. The MUQ of all such Currencies is 1. History: Created by Proposal 1601, Jun. 19 1995 Amended(1) by Proposal 1760, Oct. 21 1995 ====================================================================== This was the Judgement as issued too late by Coco: Judgement: FALSE Reasoning: Since the previous rules governing Groups specified that each Group was the mintor of it's own Coins, the caller's arguement for continuity would be contradicted by tranferring the authority to mint Coins from Groups to the Mint.