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>From: Andre Engels <csg419@wing.rug.nl>
Subject: OFF: CFJ 831: Concurring opinion
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A Concurring Opinion has been received on CFJ 831. Here is the CFJ, complete
with Concurring Opinion:


	Rule 1527 should be interpreted such that all events
	contained in a message occur at the time of the Date: header,
	even though they occur sequentially


Judge:		Zefram
Judgement:	FALSE

Eligible:	Andre, Chuck, Coco, Dave Bowen, elJefe, favor, KoJen, 
		Michael, Morendil, Oerjan, Saltwater, Steve, Wes, 

Not Eligible:	
Caller:		Vanyel
On Hold:	

Effects:	Zefram gains 5 Points for speedy Judgement


  Called by Vanyel, 10 Nov 1995, 11:50 -0600 CST
  Assigned to Zefram, 13 Nov 1995, 11:34 MET
  Judged FALSE by Zefram, 15 Nov 1995, 16:33 +0000 (GMT)
  Concurring Opinion issued by Andre, sponsored by Morendil and elJefe,
	16 Nov 1995, 15:20 MET


Requested Injunction: I request that if this CFJ is Judged TRUE, Rule
1527 be Annotated with the above Statement.

Arguments: Well, they *do* occur at the same time, seperated only
infinitesimally; I find this obvious, as a mathemetician, however this
caused some confusion recently and should be clarified.


Reasoning of the Judge:

I agree with the Caller's argument that such events occur at the same
time, to the precision of an email timestamp (one second).  But I
disagree with other aspects of the argument.

The statement of the CFJ refers to the Date: header, which according to
Game Custom is not necessarily the time of events contained within the
message.  In particular, the Date: header is generally ignored when it
is known to be significantly inaccurate.  The statement of this CFJ is
therefore false on this point.

Secondly, events separated by infinitesemal amounts of time do not
occur at the same time.  It is a simple mathematical fact that
infinitesemal numbers do not equal zero, and numbers with an
infinitesemal difference are not equal.  It is also part of the meaning
of the word "sequential", which is used in the Rule in question.  Only
one such time can be exactly any specific time, with all the other
times being infinitesemally different from it.  Thus if any event in an
email message occurs at the time of its Date: header, only one of the
events can.  The other events occur at infinitesemally different


Concurring Opinion:


We do not agree with the second of the 2 Arguments given by the Judge. Events
separated by infinitesimal amounts of time DO occur at the same time, although
sequentially. However the first of the Judge's arguments (namely, that the
Date: header is, according to Game Custom is not necessarily the time of
events contained within the message), still forces us to agree with the
final Judgement of FALSE.

Issued by: Andre

Sponsors: Morendil and elJefe



The CFJ having been judged FALSE, I cannot make an Injunction.


Evidence added by the Judge:

1. Rule 1527/0


Rule 1527/0 (Mutable, MI=1)
Timing of Multiple Events in One Message

      Whenever a message contains more than one notification, report,
      or other communication in which the Rules place some legal
      significance, the communications in that message shall be taken
      to have been sent sequentially, separated by infinitesimal
      increments of time, in the order which they appear in the

Created by Proposal 1750, Oct. 21 1995