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Subject: DIS: Repost of CFJ 842
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Andre was asking about CFJ 842. Here it is. I don't think it bears on
the recent amendment (or non-amendment) of R1042.

        ASSIGNMENT CFJ 842

    Rule 1469 should be interpreted so that when the
    destruction of a Treasury which contains a negative
    amount of any Currency is required by the Rules, that
    Treasury is not destroyed, since the transfer of the
    negative Currencies within does not happen.

Judge: favor
Judgement: FALSE

Eligible: Andre, favor, Kelly, KoJen, Michael, Pascal,
          Swann, Vlad, Wes, Vanyel

Not Eligible:	
Caller:     Morendil
On Hold:    Dave Bowen, Chuck, Steve

Effects:    favor gains 5 Points for speedy Judgement


  Called by Morendil, Mon, 1 Jan 1996 22:43:01 +0001
  Assigned to favor, 4 January 1995, 02:37 MET
  Judged FALSE by favor, 4 January 1996, 16:48 EST


Reasons & arguments : none.


Relevant Rules : 1472, 1469. I respectfully request of the Judge an
Injuction to annotate Rule 1469 with this Statement.


Decision & Reasoning Judge:

This is actually FALSE on two different grounds:

Rule 1469/2 doesn't say anything about what happens when
Treasury-destruction in general occurs; it just talks about
what happens when a Treasury-possessing entity is destroyed.
Given that it lists two separate events (the transfer of
Currencies to Mintors, and the destruction of the Treasury),
one might tend to assume that Treasury-destruction in
general does *not* imply or require transfers to Mintors,
else the Rule would not have bothered to mention both.
So as far as 1469/2 is concerned, Treasury-destruction in
general need not be limited by the possibility of
Transfers to Mintors.

If we look at the Treasury-destructions that 1469/2 itself
requires, I can find nothing that says that it occurs only
if the transfers to Mintors are successful.  The relevant
part of 1469/2 says "If A, then X and Y".  If some other
rule with a higher precendence forbids X, then if A, I
would expect that the effect of 1469/2 would be Y.  That is,
if a Treasury-possessing entity is destroyed, and the
stuff in its Treasury cannot be transferred to the Mintor,
the Treasury is still destroyed anyway.  So FALSE again.

One interesting note: if the transfers to Mintors are
in fact impossible, this text from 1469/2:

>   A legal notification of the destruction of a Treasury is also,
>   by implication, a report of the transfer of all Currencies
>   within that Treasury to their Mintors as required by this Rule.

is rather paradoxical, in that it says that the notification of
a Treasury destruction can under some circumstances also be
a report of something that did not in fact occur!  Ah, well...

The injunction is, obviously, denied.

Respectfully submitted,
Judge favor


Steve Gardner                     |   Appearances to the contrary,
Dept. of Philosophy, Monash Uni.  |  things are just what they seem.    |