From email@example.com Thu Feb 8 12:00:16 1996 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [220.127.116.11]) by Shamino.quincy.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA04557 for <firstname.lastname@example.org>; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 12:00:15 -0600 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03434; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:53:16 -0800 Received: by desiree.teleport.com (bulk_mailer v1.3); Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:53:15 -0800 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA03412 for nomic-official-outgoing; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:53:14 -0800 Received: from wing4.wing.rug.nl (wing4.wing.rug.nl [18.104.22.168]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA03371 for <email@example.com>; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 09:53:10 -0800 Message-Id: <199602081753.JAA03371@desiree.teleport.com> Received: by wing4.wing.rug.nl (22.214.171.124/16.2) id AA09297; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:50:44 +0100 From: Andre Engels <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: OFF: CFJ 857 Judgement corrected To: email@example.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 96 18:50:44 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: firstname.lastname@example.org Reply-To: email@example.com Precedence: bulk Status: RO ====================================================================== JUDGEMENT CFJ 857 " The Rule that was created by Proposal 2448 should be interpreted so that a Transfer occurs under its provisions each time a Player casts the Votes it specifies, even if such Votes have no legal effect. " ====================================================================== Judge: KoJen Judgement: FALSE Eligible: Andre, Chuck, Coren, dcuman, Doug, elJefe, favor, Ghost, Jtael, KoJen, Michael, Morendil, Wes, Zefram Not Eligible: Caller: Morendil Barred: Kelly, Steve, Vanyel On Hold: Blob, Dave Bowen 1005: Murphy, Pascal, Swann, Vanyel, Vlad Effects: KoJen gains 5 Points for speedy Judgement ====================================================================== History: Called by Morendil, 8 February 1996, 08:03 +0100 Assigned to KoJen, 8 February 1996, timestamp lost Judged FALSE by KoJen, 8 February 1996, 12:19 -0500 ====================================================================== Reasons & Arguments: The relevant Rule mentions that these Transfers occur when the Player casts a Vote, not a _legal_ Vote. The other Rule in the Ruleset which calls for a transfer resulting from the casting of Votes on a Proposal is 312, which _does_ use the term "legal Vote". On the other hand, the Threat Wins Rule only says that the action of casting a particular number of Votes results in a transfer, though it specifies neither a limit to the time period during which such an action should be undertaken nor the time of occurrence of these transfers. It is therefore my interpretation that Votes which are cast on 2448, even if they are not legal, may result in the transfer occurring at the time the message casting such Votes is sent. ====================================================================== Decision & Reasoning Judge: My decision on CFJ 857 is FALSE. Reasoning: Votes are platonic. There is no "Vote" if it is not a "legal Vote". Therefore in Proposal 2448, "Vote" can only be taken to mean "legal Vote".