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Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:38:07 -0400
From: (Jeff Caruso)
Message-Id: <199604261738.NAA01430@zeus.Camex.COM>
Subject: OFF: Judgement of CFJ 869:  TRUE
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Status: RO

                      JUDGEMENT OF CFJ 869

Anything legal Action once performed by a person being a Player, even
if performed while that person was not a Player, is an Action by that 


Judge:          ElJefe
Judgement:      TRUE

Caller:         Andre
On Hold:        Swann

Eligible:       Chuck, dcuman, elJefe, favor, 
                Jtael, Kelly, Michael, Morendil, Murphy,
                Narcisse, Oerjan, Steve, Vanyel, Zefram


  Called by Andre, Tue, 23 Apr 96 16:34:09 METDST
  Assigned to ElJefe, Tue, 23 Apr 1996 10:59:32 -0400
  Judged TRUE by ElJefe, Fri, 26 Apr 1996 13:35:16 -0400


Rule 869/3 says

 "A Player is any person who is registered as a Player."

I think that's clear enough. The Player and the person are the same,
they are synonymous. At the time of Registration there is no Player
'created'. What happens is, that an existing entity, the person, is
placed in another category, namely that of Players.

As extra evidence I give an abstract from my own Judgement in CFJ 833,
in which I already argued the same point of view.

As the person and the Player are thus identical, any Action by the
person is an Action by the Player as well.


1. Rule 869/3
2. Judgement CFJ 833 (excerpt)


Rule 869/3 (Mutable, MI=1)
Registered Players

      A Player is any person who is registered as a Player.
      A person is Registered to play when e sends a message to the
      Public Forum requesting Registration, unless another Rule 
      forbids that person from Registering.  No person may be
      registered as a Player more than once concurrently.

      If a Player has to be identified for whatever purpose, then the
      use of that Player's Agora nickname is preferred, but not
      obligatory: *any* unambiguous way of identification is allowed.


Rule 1011 should be interpreted so that if a Player deregisters, that 
Player continues to exist as a Nomic Entity.
Judge:		Andre
Judgement:	FALSE


1. A Player is not 'automagically' created when a person registers. What
   happens, as Rule 869 shows, is that the person (an existing entity, although
   perhaps not an Entity yet) becomes a Player, i.e. is placed in a certain
   Category of Entities. This can be compared with the way Groups became
   Organizations under the Group/Contest/Contract Consolidation: There were no
   new Organizations formed to correspond to the old Groups, but the old
   Groups were placed in the Category of Game Entities which are
   'Organizations', and thus became Organizations. Likewise when someone
   registers, no new Player is formed, or even filled, but the person is
   placed in the Category Players. All this is implied by Rule 869, which
   equates the person to the Player, not just makes them correspond to one




Decision of Judge ElJefe:  TRUE


  Any[thing] legal Action once performed by a person being a Player, even
  if performed while that person was not a Player, is an Action by that 

This Statement is rather limited in scope.  By its phrasing, the statement
cannot apply to illegal actions.  Nor can it expand the effect of Rules of 
the form "if a Player does X, e commits an infraction", if the person 
is not a Player at the time of the action.  It can only apply in cases
which are phrased "if a Player _has done_ X, ...", such as Rule 719.

Finally, since non-Players cannot directly manipulate pure Nomic entities,
the only "legal actions" that the statement could refer to are real-world
activities like sending e-mail messages.  For example, anyone may send 
a Kudo-transfer message to the Herald, but that message is not a Kudo 
transfer unless the sender is a Player at the time. Such messages do not 
become effective if the person later registers as a Player.  The same holds 
for currency transfers, votes, etc.

This comes perilously close to being dismissed as "not relating to
a matter in which the Rules have bearing or concern."  It is necessary
to find a case under the current Rules in which this situation would
make a difference.  

I have one:  a Watcher asks a group Vizier to join eir Group. Later, 
the Watcher registers as a Player.  Is this enough, under Rule 719, for 
em to join the group, or must e submit a new request _as a Player_?

The caller argues that the person and the Player are identical, are one
and the same person, and that actions (e-mail messages) by the one are 
actions by the other.  This must be TRUE, and I so judge it.

- elJefe, Judge

  Dr. Jeffrey L. Caruso <>
  Autologic Information International