CFJ 935

"Although all individual P-Note entities were destroyed by the PC
 proposal, the Currency class of P-Notes was re-established by R1701
 immediately after their destruction by R1579, making it possible to
 legally issue POs for P-Notes since the PC proposal took effect."


Judge:        Vlad

Judgement:    CFJ dismissed

Eligible:     Andre, Antimatter, Calabresi, Chuck, Elde, elJefe,
              General Chaos, Harlequin, Kolja A., Michael, Morendil,
              Murphy, Oerjan, Steve, Vlad, Zefram

Not eligible:
Caller:       Crito
Barred:       -
Disqualified: Vanyel
On hold:      -


  Called by Crito, Wed, 13 Aug 1997 13:42:58 -0400
  Assigned to Vlad, Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:34:47 +0100
  CFJ dismissed, Mon, 18 Aug 1997 00:59:05 -0500 (CDT)
  Published, Tue, 19 Aug 1997 12:53:53 +0100


Judgement; to dismiss the CFJ

Reasons and arguments:

First of all, I should point out that I stand to gain 5 P-Notes if
this CFJ is judged true. Although I am not sure what use they may be,
this may be construed as a reason for me to judge TRUE. I will note
that Rule 1701 seems to require the Promotor to pay me 5 P-Notes
regardless of whether or not they exist. If this judgment is
overturned on appeal, as I expect it to be, I would suggest he contact
me privately to ask my price not to call him on that :-).

   Anyhow, as I was reading the relevant Rules I was all prepared to
judge FALSE for the reasons Michael gave, namely that 1579 quite
clearly seems to require the destruction of all P-Notes, as well as
the Currency itself, in the absence of a Mintor specifically mentioned
by the Rules (no nameless Mintors, sorry). That is, until I went
looking for other relevant Rules.

   What does it mean for a Currency to be destroyed? I was quite
prepared to accept a commonsense definition until I noticed Rule 1467
gives Rule-mandated procedures precedence. The procedure for the
destruction of P-Notes as a Currency is given in Rule 1722:

        A Currency is destroyed when the Mintor of that Currency posts
      in the Public Forum stating that e is doing so, unless this
      destruction would be prohibited by the Rules.

      The Mintor of a Currency may not destroy that Currency if that
      Currency exists by virtue of being required to exist by the

  This definition is interesting. It clearly refers to the context at
hand, but note that it requires the participation of the Mintor to
destroy any Currency. The Currency termed P-Notes will only be
destroyed when their Mintor announces they are. Since there is no
Mintor, we will be waiting a while. Until then, by default they
continue to exist.

   What about individual instances of P-Notes? The procedure for
destroying them is given in Rule 1471:

        Units of Currency are destroyed when any entity which
      possesses units of that Currency transmits to the Recordkeepor
      of that Currency a notice that e is destroying units of that
      Currency, specifying the number of units that e is destroying.
      An entity cannot destroy more units of a Currency than e
      possesses, however.  The units destroyed are removed from the
      possession of the entity performing the destruction.

   Although Rule 1579 clearly requires the destruction of all extant
P-Notes, none are actually destroyed until the owners inform their
Recordkeeper. (Who is he, by the way?) Until then, I assume that they
exist normally, may be traded, etc. It is not completely clear to me
whether or not the owners are guilty of breaking the Rules, but I
would guess so. I note that this gives the Wizard the power to
penalize his enemies by giving them Style Points (see Rule 1705).

  What, then, is the correct judgment? Unfortunately, there is not a
single statement, but an amalgam of clauses. According to my analysis,
the first two are FALSE, the last TRUE, and I am unable to determine
to which I should give priority. I must conclude that at least one of
the criteria (i, ii, or vi) listed in Rule 1565 for dismissing a CFJ
applies, and I therefore do so. It also takes the heat off me, and
puts it on somebody else.


(Caller's) Arguments:

As I have noted in a previous post, the wording of R1579 indicates
that it applies to the single instant at which a Mintor or Mint
authority ceases to exist.  Since R1701 continues in effect after that
instant in time, it re-establishes a Currency called P-Notes that does
not have a Mintor and is then not subject to R1579 since it defines a
new Currency (albeit with the same name as an old one) for which a
Mintor has never ceased to exist.